Висша лига - Сезон 2016/2017

[Thsmith]

Аз по скоро споменах 5-4-1 като опция когато Азар не играе или е сменен. По скоро с него варира в нещо като 5-3-1-1 ама да не навлизаме в спорове.

[CSKA69]

Това си е твое мнение. Гледал съм почти всички мачове на Челси през този сезон (всичките мачове с отбори от топ 7) и съм останал с впечатлението, че Коста остава сам, когато Челси се защитава. Дали Азар е по-близо до него или не, няма значение. Компактността на Челси е впечатляваща в това отношение.

[rhaegar]

Не си е мое мнение, а факт. Явно се налага по още веднъж да ги изгледаш.

[CSKA69]

Не си е мое мнение, а факт. Явно се налага по още веднъж да ги изгледаш.

Факт казваш. Току що изгледах едно клипче в тубата (има един канал unmaxit football с превъзходни анализи между другото) , които пък твърдят, че Челси се защитава в 4231 и дори в 433 формация.. Така че въпрос на интерпретация.

[rhaegar]

Аз току що прочетох мнението на Шмит отгоре, който казва, че е 5-3-1-1. А сега де?

[CSKA69]

Мисля, че само Конте може да ни отговори точно какви ги вършат играчите му на терена Иначе след кратко ровене из нета си намерих един анализ, който ми импонира на тезата хаха :

Against the ball Chelsea operate in a 5-4-1 shape with the wing-backs acting alongside the 3 defenders to make a back 5 whilst the inside forwards drop to positions alongside Matic and Kante to create a line of 4 in midfield. Many teams struggle to defend the width of the field effectively in a back four shape, whilst retaining an adequate presence in the box to defend any potential crosses. This leads to the situational use of midfield players to cover spaces which often manifests in wingers dropping into full-back positions or at times central midfielders covering channels between pressing full-backs and centre backs in central areas.

Within Chelsea’s early season defensive shape it was often the former, with Hazard or Willian situationally being used as 5th defenders to assist with more effective width coverage. However this can lead to a number of problems; firstly the constant re-adjustment in terms of operating in the midfield or defensive line can create difficulties in co-ordinating effective positioning. This is particularly the case against opponents who shift the ball quickly and can therefore take advantage of any issues in the timing of dropping into the defensive line

Furthermore this can at times mean using players who have sub-optimal defensive instincts in important defensive positions, which can create a target for opponents. Most of these issues can of course be neutralised with strong and effective team tactical training, however it is more difficult to co-ordinate. Another issue is directly related, since the use of players like Hazard in such deep positions creates longer distances to join any counter attacks.

With the constant back 5 shape and effective work on the training field, Chelsea have been able to solidify their game against the ball. The 5-man defensive line means the defence can cover more width on the field whilst retaining adequate distances between themselves. This means the ball-near wing-back can defend wider and move to defend opposition wingers quicker, with this they are able to prevent opponents from gaining a dynamic advantage for take-ons and can force them to go backwards.

The level of cover is an important influence on the level of pressing individual players feel comfortable enough to execute. This sounds obvious, but has an interesting natural effect in different defensive shapes. On a simple level, the line of defence where a team has the highest number often becomes the area of most intense pressing. This is due to the level of cover for each individual player being at its highest.

In a 4-5-1 defensive shape this can lead to particularly aggressive midfield pressing, but in Chelsea’s 5-4-1 it creates a “last-line security” for the individual defenders to aggressively close spaces in front of them. This security that the 5 man defence creates, naturally allows the ball-near defenders to situationally mark their direct opponents, at times following deep in their attempts to prevent them from receiving in space between the lines or turning towards goal.

This creates an interesting effect in the event of the midfield line being penetrated in central areas. In these situations Chelsea pair aggressive pressing from one of the defenders, depending on the part of the pitch, with backwards pressing from the midfield players. This creates a high intensity, high pressure environment that allows Chelsea to force the ball away from these dangerous areas.

The four midfielders defend in a position-oriented manner with their focus being primarily on occupying strong positions in relation to the ball’s location to block important spaces in front of the defence. However, the scheme is not wholly passive as the nearest midfielder to the ball steps forward to press the ball carrier. Regaining the ball is not the primary intention, but by applying a level of pressure on the ball they seek to control the opposition’s circulation by reducing the ball carrier’s time to make dangerous passes.

Within the position-oriented zonal defence, as with any other zonal defence, there is a high level of team-mate orientation this means the players are constantly adjusting their positions based on not only the ball but also the actions of their team-mates. When a midfielder steps forward the surrounding players narrow up and deepen slightly to provide extra cover in the space just vacated. Furthermore, with the 5-chain in defence able to defend large width, the midfield can focus on securing the centre with less emphasis on shifting to wide areas..

[Thsmith]

Аз и преди съм казвал, че има една много странна тенденция в последните 10 тина години. В един момент външните халфове и крилата почнаха да ги водят нападатели и играта с 5 ма в средата изведнъж стана с 3 ма нападатели. Всичко това без да се променя абсолютно нищо в позиционирането на играчите. От известно време се случва същото и с бековете и почват да ги водят халфове при схема в която присъстват 3 ма централни защитници. Накрая ще излезе, че Венгер е бил новатор в това отношение като изкарваше Пирес/Люнберг/Беркамп и пускаше Паскал Сиган/Игор Стефанос или някой друг подобен смешник за да осере мача в последните минути и заиграваше с 3 ма централни и два бека

[THE G.A.M.E]

Аз па мисля, че понякога Челси се защитава в нещо като 4-3-2-1.
Алонсо прибира и застава на една линия с Кейхил и Луис, а Азпи се изнася силно в дясно.
Пред тях оперират двойката център-халфове и Моузес леко в дясно, пред Азпи. Пред тях са Азар и Педро/Уили, като понякога Коста е в нашата половина, за сметка на Азар, който остава сам около центъра.

Като цяло, наистина най-често се браним в нещо като 5-3-2 ( Педро застава на линия с Канте, Матич/Фабрето ) ... Но всичко е условно.

[NOMER14]

Какво става с четвъртия в Англия, ако МанЮн вземе Уефа и е извън четвортката?

[Thsmith]

Нищо. Не го бърка какво става в УЕФА.